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Posts: 66 (02/19/02 21:26:08) |
*And what if the cell he's in when Tobias greets him is sort of an 'intermediate' holding cell while he awaits the verdict? Is it at all possible that TF might be pulling our collective chains big time and that Keller might receive another 'life in prison without the possibility of parole' sentence? *
Bless you, I now have a sliver of hope to hold onto untill Sunday. Shauna |
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Posts: 66 (02/19/02 21:28:31) |
Sorry, i just butcherd your name.
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Posts: 370 (02/20/02 07:55:05) |
No worries, Shauna!
It actually looks (and sounds) better the way you wrote it.
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Posts: 2008 (02/20/02 22:27:20) |
Why is Keller reading the bible in the infirmary?
I won't expatiate. Others are invited to. I think what Beecher says to him in the trailer is "How can love be wrong?" Until Sunday reveals all, what do you think prompts this? A statement by Keller provoked by what Sr Pete says to him? Or is Beecher reacting to what Said has suggested to him? |
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Posts: 360 (02/21/02 01:15:22) |
"I think what Beecher says to him in the trailer is "How can love be wrong?" Until Sunday reveals all, what do you think prompts this? A statement by Keller provoked by what Sr Pete says to him? Or is Beecher reacting to what Said has suggested to him?"
Perhaps Beecher decides to just blow off Said's advice once he learns of Keller's death sentence. Keller however, reverts to his CLAK behavior and tells Toby to get on with his life and that it's wrong to love someone like himself in the first place. Maybe McClain comes up. Just my guessing. |
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dorilon |
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Posts: 44 (02/21/02 08:33:31) |
I can't stand this waiting another minute!! Ugh!! |
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Posts: 2008 (02/21/02 11:11:08) |
I can hardly wait, dorilon.
I am in a hurry right now and can't analyze this in detail. "A little leaven leavens the whole loaf" comes up in two places: I Corinthians 5:6 and Galatians 5:8. Possible relations between Galatians 5 & 6 and the current Oz storylines give pause for thought: 1. Insistence on "circumcision" as "orhthodoxy" = insistence on heterosexuality as orthodoxy? (eg Said?) 2. "The only thing that counts is faith active in love" -- what his love with Beecher has done for Keller? 3. "A little leaven" -- Vern's superior's remarks and Robson/the Brotherhood of course 4. "as for agitators (for circumcision) they should go the whole way and make eunuchs of themselves" -- will Robson rip out his own gums? 5. Fighting our natures/what is purity are discussed in detail at the length of Chater 5. 6. "The whole law is summed up in 'Love your neighbor as yourself'" - God's laws in Laws of Gravity 7. Relations between love & judgement - beginning of chapter 6 8. Pride - Chapter 6:3 9. Reaping what you do/do not sow 6:7-10. We are sometimes influenced by our reading. is TF? |
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Castrati singing in the choir? | ||
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Posts: 2008 (02/21/02 13:02:38) |
A while back, in a desperate effort to guess what TF might do to make Keller interesting, fueled by the announcement the title of Ep 48 is "Impotence", I wondered whether Keller's sentence might involve surgical or pharmaceutical castration. Apparently not. But ... could Keller at least consider "spiritual castration", that is renouncing sex, based on his theological musings? I am not saying he should, and even if he considers it, the appearance of Beecher might blow that to smithereens. This would tie in with "Impotence". Also, if I am right that TF was influenced by Galatians, Galatians 5:12 says "as for these agitators (for circumcision as part of Christian orthodoxy) they had better go the whole way and make eunuchs of themselves." Also in Matthew 19:12 we have "there are some who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake." The Third Century Alexandrian father Origen, never considered totally orthodox, is often thought to have castrated himself under the influence of this verse, although that is disputed by some. That would make one hell of a Hill mono!
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GioVita |
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Posts: 1135 (02/21/02 13:36:25) |
are you aware that you can email TF via his website www.tomfontana.com?
Giovanni
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Posts: 66 (02/21/02 18:06:09) |
Ya, but he doesn't write back.
Yes, guilty, I've written him, but no word back as of yet. Shauna |
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Posts: 44 (02/21/02 19:09:22) |
I was thinking along those same lines, jfc, ever since I read the spoilers for ep 47 a few months ago.
In "Good Intentions," Keller ponders whether his sexuality is the root cause of his flawed existence, and wonders if he would have been happier (I read this to mean not just happier, but *better*) if he were celibate. Add that to Beecher's conversation with Said about staying away from Keller as penance for his own sins, and I couldn't help but think that Keller's ultimate decision, whether he is convicted of the murders or not, would be a figurative "castration" -- forsaking his sexuality as a kind of personal penance. It seemed to me that this was where TF was heading with him (although, admittedly, we all know that those paths often veer wildly from where we expected them to go!). But I began to wonder if Hill's final monologue in "Good Intentions" wasn't the biggest clue to what will happen with Keller in the final episode: that simply put, all good intentions turn to shit. By the end of episode 47, both Beecher and Keller have "good intentions" -- Keller to give up sex, and Beecher to give up Keller -- but they also haven't been face to face for what, a year? Much easier to make decisions like that without having to come face to face with temptation. So once they DO come face to face, will all those good intentions go flying out the window? Will Keller and Beecher *want* to be together, despite those intentions? (My guess is yes, but again, who knows?) Alas, they've waited too long -- with Keller on Death Row, they've lost any and all opportunity. They can only gaze at each other impotently through the cell bars that separate them. *sniff* |
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Posts: 357 (02/21/02 20:10:50) |
Oh, come on Dorilon. Remember Richie and Shirley? And this time, only one of the party is actually behind bars.
I am with you on wondering about the application of the last GI Hill mono to this situation. What Paul said in Romans 7:21-23 seems to be a major factor here, whether TF has that in mind or not, so Hill's probably on the money. And I can argue "yes, one should give the other up" and "no he shouldn't" in the same breath. So I am in great suspense. And sometimes I do watch Oz as a soap opera. I had talked about how in Fr M's Variety turn, "Leather" applied to him. When I am in despair, "Give me my leather." When I talked about Fr M & Leather before I did not connect his lapping at his Bible with the fact it was leather bound. Keller's Bible is also leather. The ones I use are paperback. One of those things that makes me go hmmm. Of course not every symbol I see, in fact few of them, can be intended. But if one is not constantly open, those that are intended will go right past with no effect. I have been reading up on Ralph Ellison, to try to understand why McM has a poster celebrating him and "Invisible Man" on his wall. Invisible Man uses some pretty deep symbols. When he was at Tuskegee, Ellison adored TS Eliot's The Wasteland and spent countless hours in the library chasing down all its allusions and symbols lest he miss one. Who am I to say Oz cannot be the vast TV Wasteland? |
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Posts: 5290 (02/21/02 20:19:46) |
Droia-I agree the right response from Sister Pete would have been along the lines of "Why do you ask that?" Not this accusatory response. It was obvious he wasn't joking around. Why assume it was a mockery?
Mondo-that is one of my favorite quotes of all time. Dorothy apparently said that when the doorbell rang-"What fresh hell is this?" I know all about good intentions going to hell(tip o the hat, jfc). There was something I was giving up for Lent and I couldn't do it. Beecher and Keller are human beings. Why do they have to deny themselves each other's love just because Said thinks it is an "abomination" and the Bible says it is wrong? |
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Posts: 1135 (02/22/02 13:30:34) |
He gets them. He still claims to be computer shy, however.
Giovanni
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Posts: 357 (02/22/02 14:16:12) |
So he won't post next to someone at a cybercafé ?
Thought for the day: Not all Ep 47 good intentions have been laid as paving stones yet, so -- In Ep 48, finding Sr Pete's advice concerning "pass me" as helpful as it was in regard to "pick me" in S4/I, Keller starts obsessing about Matthew 19:12, tries to castrate himself, and bleeds to death. I noticed Blaine Perry returns in ep 48. He's Samuel Gougeon. I wonder if he shows up to testify against Kirk, or to reveal that while on a work crew repairing the ventilation system, he spirited Cloutier away through an air duct. |
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Posts: 5290 (02/23/02 04:39:54) |
spaz-very funny reference to posting next to someone at a cybercafe
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